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Re: Brand New Software Mixer

Postby jlepore » Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:41 pm

So apparently there is a market - for anything but SAC these days.
If they really want to shake out the bugs, they should probably send me a copy :)
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Re: Brand New Software Mixer

Postby Jeremyjo » Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:18 pm

Submit a request to be a beta tester and send them thread copies from your bug finds in SAC. You did seem to have more than most peoples share of problems with SAC beside Bob's recalcitrance. You probably can unearth some stuff.

We haven't had as many troubles as you had with SAC, but seeing that Bob L seems to have stopped development and another Bob seems to have found some new tricks that answer what original Bob doesn't seem interested in, I'm interested in trying new Bob's stuff :)
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Re: Brand New Software Mixer

Postby soundguy » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:26 pm

Thanks for the heads up. I put in a request to be a Beta tester and got a reply, but apparently there are interested in focusing on small digital consoles and my access is to a wide array of the bigger consoles needed in bigger venues. We'll see how it plays out.

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Re: Brand New Software Mixer

Postby gdougherty » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:26 am

I've lived without head amp integration for a while now and having it on my X32 rack is really spoiling me. That's probably the biggest downside to any system like this without integration of network controlled head amps. That may get there someday in the relatively near future, but for now it's a handicap compared to pretty much any of the modern digital consoles.
http://softwareaudioconsole.wikidot.com The start of a wiki. It's slow going and there's a ton of info that should be in there yet.
Biggest item is the Command Reference on how to do most actions within SAC. It's 90% of what you need for UI proficiency.

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Re: Brand New Software Mixer

Postby gdougherty » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:34 am

Actually... given the way the control version is designed to work according to the FAQ, it might be a pretty sweet setup with a handful of X32 racks and stage boxes to build out a large scale system. If I were them, that's what I'd really be working on.
http://softwareaudioconsole.wikidot.com The start of a wiki. It's slow going and there's a ton of info that should be in there yet.
Biggest item is the Command Reference on how to do most actions within SAC. It's 90% of what you need for UI proficiency.

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Re: Brand New Software Mixer

Postby mycorn » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:54 pm

according to them the x32 stuff is next...
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Re: Brand New Software Mixer

Postby gdougherty » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:01 pm

mycorn wrote:according to them the x32 stuff is next...

Nice. Maybe AMP with an x32, a rack and a stage box will take care of my next Orchestra gig.
Will say SAC did a flawless job on my New Years gig I crammed into 40 channels, though I forgot my control surface and had to do the whole thing with mouse and keyboard. Only thing I haven't figured out yet is an easy way to record all those input channels. I thought about using my X32 rack as an orchestra sub-mixer into the bands X32, but it didn't lend itself to seamlessly recording it all. Bringing a split plus my SAC rig just to record made no sense.
http://softwareaudioconsole.wikidot.com The start of a wiki. It's slow going and there's a ton of info that should be in there yet.
Biggest item is the Command Reference on how to do most actions within SAC. It's 90% of what you need for UI proficiency.

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Re: Brand New Software Mixer

Postby RBIngraham » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:47 pm

Well if your system was MADI or Dante based you could always use one of those Jo Co boxes, but of course not only do you need to use one of those protocols, the boxes themselves are not cheap.

Frankly I do not see why software mixing couldn't have integrated preamp control. All it really requires is someone to give a shit and do the work, rather than tell everyone they should just use a cheap behringer. :-)

I guess I just don't get as excited about the x32 as some do. To me there is just not enough routing flexibility and I would run out of busses in a flash, just like when I have to use a LS9 or even on a M7. Although something like this I guess could potentially get me past my dismay for the crappy scene control in most of the consoles under 30K or so.
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Re: Brand New Software Mixer

Postby gdougherty » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:59 am

The x32 is a terrific board for what it is, and it does as well or better than the soundcraft competition in many areas.
Its a medium size digital desk that's not meant for large productions but it works well if its big enough for the task at hand.

Behringer is also doing things mostly right with OSC and MIDI support such that people have written some nifty software to better handle scene management and recall.

I wouldn't imagine it works well for bigger theatre productions with only 32 channels, but that doesn't mean it isn't a worthwhile desk.
http://softwareaudioconsole.wikidot.com The start of a wiki. It's slow going and there's a ton of info that should be in there yet.
Biggest item is the Command Reference on how to do most actions within SAC. It's 90% of what you need for UI proficiency.

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Re: Brand New Software Mixer

Postby RBIngraham » Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:47 am

gdougherty wrote:The x32 is a terrific board for what it is, and it does as well or better than the soundcraft competition in many areas.
Its a medium size digital desk that's not meant for large productions but it works well if its big enough for the task at hand.

Behringer is also doing things mostly right with OSC and MIDI support such that people have written some nifty software to better handle scene management and recall.

I wouldn't imagine it works well for bigger theatre productions with only 32 channels, but that doesn't mean it isn't a worthwhile desk.


Yeah, good points. I didn't mean to insinuate that I thought it was inadequate for everyone, just my needs. :)

This middle market theatre world is where SAC really could have and should have cleaned up I think. But it would have required both some advertising of the product and less attitude about mixing with a mouse or "enjoy the ride" commentary. And it could have and should have done well in areas like installed sound and such.... but again it would have taken both marketing and listening to those that do that kind of work.

The reality is you usually don't need 24 monitor mixers for a 4 or 5 piece band playing in a bar or small club. You don't need a subwoofer console either. :D Sure it's nice to have some of that, but as you're finding out and reporting an X32 works just fine for that. And so do many of the other affordable digital desks that have come on the market. It just took a while for them to get out decent products that filled the modest priced Allen and Heath GL series market, but bigger than something you can mix on a 01V96.

SAC has been a great tool for me. It is far better than the hodge podge of 2 or more analog and digital mixers all feeding into a DSP of some sort I used in the past. Much more flexible than that kind of mess and no surprise it sounds better because there are less than half as many A to D and D to A stages as before. But we all know the things that held it up from reaching it's full potential. But most of the things it does well, like fairly high channel counts, complex scene recalls, integration of a full function multi-track playback DAW, etc. are not the selling points you use to sell to the masses that just want a tool like the X32.
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