Behringer Engineer in the ADA8200 thread...

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Re: Behringer Engineer in the ADA8200 thread...

Postby RBIngraham » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:11 am

And of course the M7 is a $20K desk or so. Not a $100K desk. Probably less now as I would suspect price drops considering it's age and with the CL series out now.

Having said that, we didn't have a single crash on SAC all summer. 6 days a week of use. And no Joe, I am not blaming your machine. Just saying that something in the differences in the way we work causes us to have fairly different experiences. At least from the perspective of SAC crashing.
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Re: Behringer Engineer in the ADA8200 thread...

Postby Butch » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:55 am

I also have not had any crash problems in the last couple years
I think we have to say thanks Joe for that since he has found most of them
some Bob fixed and some are just Don't do that things

Also not a very big fan of the 5D either and the ILive has a lot of hiss
ANY Midas great (at least until the B guys ruin them)

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Re: Behringer Engineer in the ADA8200 thread...

Postby RBIngraham » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:30 am

I have not spent enough time using 5ds to have a real opinion other than my general disdain for Yamaha's scene management. I used a in iLive on a couple of shows now and I really like that desk. I didn't notice any real hiss issues and this was with d&b mains in a reasonably nice equipped system. I think I would have noticed. But maybe my hearing is shot, since this "hiss" issue with gear and me not hearing it seems to be becoming a theme of mine. Huh... time to schedule a check up!
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Re: Behringer Engineer in the ADA8200 thread...

Postby soundguy » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:35 am

I guess I should have been more clear. I wasn't referring to the sound quality of SAC as compared to the $100,000 desks, but the operational features and work flow.

The sound quality of any desk has WAY more to do with the pre-amps and analog electronics on the ins/outs than the digital engine. Sorry dudes, I just don't buy into the BS about fixed point being better than floating point math. At least not to the point of being that obvious to the ear as compared to other components.

Having said that, it's really about the operator at that point, and that is related directly to the work flow. And to me, it's about taking the mind set away from messing with the technology and focusing on the music during a show.

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Re: Behringer Engineer in the ADA8200 thread...

Postby RBIngraham » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:39 am

I suspect that the differences in my and Joe's crashing experience has a lot to do with the fact that he pounds on the SAC Remote a lot more than I do. He also probably is patching and moving around plug-ins a lot more than I am. And I never have two engineers really going at SAC full blast at the same time either. Although I've never purposely took it easy when I'm sitting at the tech table with my SAC Remote either. So I am pushing it when we are in tech rehearsals. The difference probably is that once we open our shows, the system just gets turned on, channels get turned on and off, a handful of faders are moved and preprogrammed scenes are recalled. Most complex thing during a show is the A2 checking lines and such backstage while the A1 is mixing.
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Re: Behringer Engineer in the ADA8200 thread...

Postby BrentEvans » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:45 pm

soundguy wrote:The sound quality of any desk has WAY more to do with the pre-amps and analog electronics on the ins/outs than the digital engine. Sorry dudes, I just don't buy into the BS about fixed point being better than floating point math. At least not to the point of being that obvious to the ear as compared to other components.

I agree that fixed point and floating point math are probably a moot point at today's level of technology, but it is true that algorithms can make a difference. Bob's algorithms are pretty darned good sounding regardless of how they are contrived... except for the low attack values on his compressor... but that's a common problem. His parametric EQs sound better than just about any software EQ I've tried, and better than a lot of digital consoles.

Having said that, it's really about the operator at that point, and that is related directly to the work flow. And to me, it's about taking the mind set away from messing with the technology and focusing on the music during a show.

And, along these lines, to each their own. Who cares what it looks like if you can get the job done on it? I'm much faster on SAC after 4 years of using it than I was when I started, and much of that has been after optimizing the work flow to my style, and adding some hardware control surface. I'm certainly no power user like Joe or Randy, but it works for me. I'm much slower on other consoles, even ones that I use fairly regularly. The speed balance would surely change very quickly if I switched platforms on my own gear.
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Re: Behringer Engineer in the ADA8200 thread...

Postby IraSeigel » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:07 pm

jlepore wrote:... and external word clock is the blanket remover for the M7. Still don't sound great, but a LOT better!
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Agreed. I carry a Black Lion Audio clock with me for just that reason. BIG difference.
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Re: Behringer Engineer in the ADA8200 thread...

Postby jlepore » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:47 pm

Well, I didn't manage to break the XL8 I was on the other night - so I don't think it's me :)
Talk about a great sounding desk - holy crap!
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Re: Behringer Engineer in the ADA8200 thread...

Postby Butch » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:09 pm

jlepore wrote:Well, I didn't manage to break the XL8 I was on the other night - so I don't think it's me :)
Talk about a great sounding desk - holy crap!


And it's a Behringer also :lol:

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Re: Behringer Engineer in the ADA8200 thread...

Postby RBIngraham » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:47 pm

Fairly certain the XL8 came out prior to the merger. But I could be wrong.
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