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Postby BrettBrandon » Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:43 am

Isn't this the time of year where we see the latest things out. :D

It was basically one year ago to date that I saw the pics from the Montarbo booth with Bob Lentini holding a tablet with (what we are to believe is) a touchscreen version of sac. :lol:

That was a year ago, I still own the software but can't help but wondering........ Really???
After a couple of years of nothing really new.... This is what we get???? Nothing?
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Re: NAAM

Postby RBIngraham » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:26 am

This year's NAMM show has come and gone already actually. Hence why my inbox this past week was full of nothing but reports from NAMM.

The biggest thing seems to be the rack mount, software controlled mixer. Just about everyone has one of those now. The Allen and Heath looks nice to me as you can actually do something with it from the front panel. As much as I don't get excited about the Presonus Mixers I do have to say they are doing a lot of interesting things with them. We just had one of those rack mount jobs in the office for a demo this past week. And the fact that they have Dante and now AVB cards for them is a big plus to me. You can now buy one of those rack mount mixers and use it as a stage box for the equivalent sized mixing console, which I think it pretty cool. You can control either mixer that way from the mixer with the control surface and send inputs from either unit to the other mixer.

Oh and you're right of course Brett..... in fact I didn't see a single mention of Montarbo in any reports at all. Hmmmmm.... maybe they need a better US distributor...
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Re: NAAM

Postby Doug_Danforth » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:41 am

Was there a lot of traffic at the AMP booth?
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Re: NAAM

Postby BrettBrandon » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:36 pm

Just did a fill in gig last night at one of the Chicago area casinos on a X32 rack.
I will say the room was set up nice and the JBL's sounded good. Even though there was a nice A&H board there, we took the X32 outputs and used 2 inputs on the house board (actually have to as their in-ears are all preset in the X32). I just set the iPads next to the mixer and went to work.
NOTE: If you use three iPads with a X32 rack, you have 16 channels of controller and another screen for delay tap. eq, dyn tweaking ect.... Personally, I have been using my iPad for mixing for well over a year and think it makes a far superior controller over the behringer, ect, mechanical ones..... They are completely silent, change instantly, and much more "available" that some.

RBIngraham wrote:I didn't see a single mention of Montarbo in any reports at all. Hmmmmm.... maybe they need a better US distributor...

Or maybe they got tired of waiting for something he can't produce (or just plain pissed them off).... I created the Montarbo Shade alternate a couple of years ago. They already had a good year to work on it before NAMM last year.

It's been a couple of years since I have heard anything.
Just sent him an email asking, Whats Up.

I wonder if I will get a response.......
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Re: NAAM

Postby RBIngraham » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:07 pm

Well actually I was talking about goods going in the other direction. Not only have I heard zero about Air Console crap, I have heard zero about any Montarbo gear, or seen ads or any real attempts at selling their wares. If I had just struck a distibutuon deal, I wouldn't be all that pleased if the goal had been to get a foothold in the US market.
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Re: NAAM

Postby newmediamark » Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:15 am

RBIngraham wrote:
Oh and you're right of course Brett..... in fact I didn't see a single mention of Montarbo in any reports at all. Hmmmmm.... maybe they need a better US distributor...


Well I stopped by the Montarbo booth because oddly enough, I saw an old engineering associate mention on his Facebook page that he was demoing the Icon control surface on top of SAC at NAMM. That was funny to me, because when I was an early adopter of SAW, this guy couldn't be the least bit interested. Nothing really new to report, He was aware of all the personality traits and/or of Lentini, but was in love with the SAW software for it's "speed". He also admits that as much as he loves it, he only uses it on personal projects because most paying clients need their projects of Pro Tools or Logic these days.

But enough about that ... the big news he was excited to tell me is that "they" are working on their own hardware I/O ... but nothing yet to be seen. He was using Focusrite I/O at the show and scoffed at the Behringer concept. And the other thing to report was Lentini is now working on the software again because he is getting paid to. My old friend's big selling point was the same "assembly code", "more efficient engine" and "better sounding" argument that L has been using for decades. And zero latency is superior to all of those stupid plug-ins like Waves and such used by those idiots touring the world with their Avid consoles.

Same shit, different year.

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Re: NAAM

Postby BrettBrandon » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:56 am

Sorry, but his "assembly code" "more efficiect" is no longer viable.
The OS has changed and he has been applying patches to try to keep up with it.
As far as sounding better... Don't know who to blame but I spent almost a year using Bob's reccomended Behringer preamps with sac.
The company I was working for got tired of sac's glitches especially network related as they are all in-ear monitors (latency was also a big issue).
They swiched to X32 Racks which I don't know if it was the difference between changing preamps or just losing sac but the clarity I had been struggling to achieve suddenly was there.
Sac does not have ZERO latency..... No digital desk does.....
I still own my copy of sac, but don't see what I could use it for anymore. I also have a version of AMP (Audio Mixing Platform) which outperforms sac in so many ways.

I'm sorry, but anyone stuck with Avid....... Just another sucker!!! :horse: Or as I like to call them "Sheepople".
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Re: NAAM

Postby IraSeigel » Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:08 pm

BrettBrandon wrote:I'm sorry, but anyone stuck with Avid....... Just another sucker!!! :horse: Or as I like to call them "Sheepople".


+1 (am I allowed to add more??)
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Re: NAAM

Postby RBIngraham » Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:34 pm

Are the AVID desks really that bad. I know a few folks that really like them. Of course I think they were using whatever the top of the line Venue desks were at the time. Not the SC48 or the newer modular thing.
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Re: NAAM

Postby jlepore » Mon Feb 02, 2015 6:20 pm

Sorry, but when I was touring with a multi-grammy winner, I was mostly on Avid's. They are far more reliable than SAC will ever be, and they sound at least as good as AMP. They have about the same latency as AMP (which is FAR less than SAC). The ablity to use some of the plugins available make common issues a lot easier to deal with. I use it because it's a known quantity. I know my file is going to work out of the gate and I don't have to deal with different hardware every night. I just can't personally afford to buy one and carry it with me.

While I am all for using AMP or previously SAC for mixing, it's hard to trust your life to them on the road. Ask Diamond Rio's guy how he feels about that now ;)
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